Her route to her family's home Tyle-Du Farm entailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. Muriel was murdered 16 years before I was born, but it was a story I had heard from a young age. Born in the summer of 1933, she was the youngest of four children and lived with her parents Percy and Margaret on a small farm called Tyle-Du, near Thanks for reading and for taking the time to share your thoughts. As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. I personally think whoever did it was a true psychopath and he would probably of done something like it before and has done other crimes since. Video, 00:00:41, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story. "It does make you think that Muriel Drinkwater (who passed her 11-Plus to get into grammar school) is the sort of girl he would have been interested in. Hi Nicola. Jones was ruled out at the beginning of May, 2019. [citation needed], In 2009, Welsh police began reinvestigating any link with the murder of 11-year-old Sheila Martin, who was raped and strangled 250 miles away in Sun Hill Wood, Fawkham Green, Kent, on 7 July 1946, ten days after Drinkwater's murder. The Photo Request has been fulfilled. [11] Hoyles, who saw Drinkwater after buying eggs at her parents' farm, was cleared by the DNA evidence. The killer was dubbed Jack The Stripper because of the way he left his victims. It became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder - but who killed Muriel Drinkwater? Thank you for listening to this episode of The True Crime Files. Hard to work out the logic of your comment Charlotte? "Due to advances in forensic technology we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule him out completely as a suspect in this case. [13] However, in 2019, South Wales Police stated that forensic tests on the DNA "categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Victor said that the programme had made him suspicious as to whether Florences killer Harold Jones who had been released from a 20 year prison sentence in 1941 for the Abertillery murders was responsible for 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwaters death. Advertisement. He could possibly be a rival farmer and or business owner, we can tell the Drinkwaters run a business due to the fact that Hoyles bought eggs from Margaret Drinkwater, near to the death of Muriel Drinkwater. This true crime happened in Penllegaer Woods on the outskirts of Swansea in 1946. I am making a F.O.I. [4] In 2019, the DNA was used to rule out notorious Welsh murderer Harold Jones as a suspect. In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect . Despite their inve. Police records from the time show that Muriel's mother was the last person to see her alive. She was singing on the school bus with her friends, on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, when she was dropped on the side of the road near her family's farm on the outskirt of Swansea. I appealed that decision and was then informed that as the information I requested was kept in paper format in various locations in South Wales then it would be too costly and time-consuming to check out so the request was denied. Now, a team of former detectives and crime experts have re-investigated the case, dubbed the 'Little Red Riding Hood murder', and have uncovered a new prime suspect. I can be contacted at [emailprotected] or via Facebook messenger. Advertisement. Martin well remembers a young girl who was "always full of life" and would always be skipping and singing. Detectives to revisit unsolved murder. It was believed the victim's clothes had been lost. Muriel Drinkwater was raped and shot dead as she walked home from a school bus in Penllergaer, Swansea, Serial killer Harold Jones (pictured as a 15-year-old) killed two young girls when he was just 15 and was jailed for 20 years. I have a special interest in this case as I too was brought up in Penllergaer. Due to advances in forensic technology, we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule out Harold Jones completely as a suspect in this case.. Two months too young to face the gallows, he was sent to Usk Prison where he sensationally confessed to the first killing, blaming the voice of a 'demon' in his head. "The farm was a painful place for my grandparents to be," said Martin, who still keeps a little battleship toy that Muriel had given him. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. "If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it.". The case became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder. Her mother later went to the village to look for her when she did not return home; more than a dozen men from the area began a search. But when they tested a stain on Muriel's coat it did not come up with a link to child murderer Harold Jones - who is also suspected of being a serial killer dubbed Jack the Stripper. It is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. "We realise whoever did this might be dead, but if he is alive and in his 80s or even 90s we would like to see him behind bars," said Muriel's great-niece Claire Phillips, speaking about developments last October. Does his daughter have a son.? [15] There is evidence that Harries was employed by Drinkwater's father, John, at the time of her death. . taken from Jones exhumed body can the police honestly say catergorically that Jones was or was not Muriels killer. Hi Neil There are, of course, other theories regarding who was lying in wait on that fateful day. Regards. He stated that I was barking up the wrong tree regarding Harold Jones having killed Muriel and finished by saying Happy Hunting before slamming the phone down on me. found on Muriels coat and D.N.A. Psychic Diane Lazarus. It was an article that said that Harries had worked for Muriel's father John at the time of her murder. 4th daughter born to Lilian and Charles Herbert Irvine in Liverpool. Interesting case Christine. Wife of James Anthony Drinkwater and mother to Carole Suzanne, Stephen Mark, Simon Anthony and Russell John Drinkwater. More here: https://bit.ly/WoodlawnJaneDoe. On this podcast episode, we cover the unsolved cold case of Muriel Drinkwater. Her mother Margaret watched from the house as the youngest of. Evernote. Muriel was skipping through the woods on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, as she did every day on her way from school, when the summer's afternoon turned to tragedy. Thanks again! The electoral register having been suspended because of the war means details are hazy about where he ended up - although he did eventually resurface in South London under the name Harry Stevens, leading some to believe he was also Jack The Stripper - the serial killer who battered and strangled a number of women across the capital during the 1960s. See link to Jones and other murders. However, what happened to Jones once he left Wandsworth jail in December 1941, aged 35, remains a mystery. Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. Business class plane passenger refuses to give up his seat so a man could sit next to his wife on her birthday - selfish or fair enough? He must have known she was near home because she waved and if we are saying this was a planned attack he wouldve studied Muriels routine, studied her route, he was near where her route went, that is a very specific route to go in and out the forest, and with balance of probability he therefore must have known Muriel and her family business to cripple the mother to cripple the business. Farm Heroes Saga, the #4 Game on iTunes. "This was a terrible, terrible crime that someone has got away with for too long. Former Detective Inspector Paul Bethell, who was in charge of South Wales Police's cold case team, explained in the documentary: "We know Muriel used to catch the school bus from the school to the gateway off the main road which led to the forestry, and then she would walk about a mile through the forestry, along the lane to the farmhouse.". Hi Neil. Jones D.N.A was not compared to the D.N.A left on Muriels coat by the killer. This was a big news story at the time. Lloyd-Evans told me that he was convinced that a suspect regarding Muriels murder would soon be identified through D.N.A. Police are closer than ever to finding her killer. 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Hi Neil. In 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was murdered in the woods of Swansea, Wales. Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater might have been a victim of a known serial killer when she was raped and murdered in 1946. We know 100% that it is the killer's stain. Video, 00:02:36, Up Next. Hoyles told police that the man looked terribly stern and had a local accent. Although this person of interest could have just been out for hike or involved in some other unrelated nefarious activity, the authorities believe that he may have been in involved in Muriels murder. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater (Welsh: Llofruddiaeth Muriel Drinkwater),[2] also known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. I could never hurt anyone or anything, but in a small, close-knit community, people talk and I knew that in the eyes of some people I was the murderer. 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Edith Patten had been buried in the old town cemetery and was left behind when officials relocated the graves in the 1930s. Murder. Was a local stalking Muriel? Learn more about managing a memorial . Police believe 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer when she was raped and murdered in 1946. There is little doubt that Muriels murderer was lying in wait, just counting the minutes until he could commit his heinous crime. However, a lack of hard evidence would later see him freed. Although the decision was made immediately it took nearly 7 weeks until 16 August 2021 to get a formal decision. And I also think there are likely more victims. [5], Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret (ne Morgans) Drinkwater. Neil. Video, 00:01:00, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble. 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Are you able to help please? Jones was only 15 when he killed eight-year-old Freda Burnell, who'd been sent by her father to buy bird seed from the store where Jones was working. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. And shockingly the reply was that the information I requested was in written format and would take at least 16 hours at a cost of more than 450 to supply and my request was denied. I have requested information regarding the cost of the re-investigation of Muriels murder since 2008. Vote. There was a camp a mile away in Grovesend. He clearly wasn't very bright, and there's evidence that you see of overkill with Muriel Drinkwater's case as well.". Also, it was near a Japanese plantation and the workers may have possibly assaulted her and the cigarette butts, bread and sweet wrappers may have come from the plantation. Moments before being brutally attacked, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater had waved to her mother, who stood at the kitchen window, as she made her way home from Gowerton High School along the long path that led to the family home. Murder of 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater in 1946 is being probed 73 years later Police thought a stain on Muriel's coat would link death to Harold Jones But they have now confirmed a test. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home she was murdered. http://www.tcbmediarights.com/screeners/dark_son.html. Also that they likely watched Muriel and knew her route. He stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name. Thank you Christine. Filmed as part of documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers, that is being shown on BBC Wales, the name of murderer Ronnie Harries, the last man to have been hanged in Carmarthen, has been put forward by the team that is headed by the former chief constable of Dyfed Powys Police Jackie Roberts. Find records of Muriel Drinkwater . [10], Police visited every house within 150 square miles and interviewed 20,000 men in Swansea and in neighbouring Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. A 73-year-old sample semen has conclusively disproved the theory Harold Jones was the killer of 12-year-old schoolgirl Muriel Drinkwater, Get the latest court and crime news from WalesOnline. . On July 7, 1946, eleven-year-old Sheila Martin was raped and strangled in woods near her home in Dartford. This seems like a dubious connection because there is roughly 230 miles (370 kilometres) between Dartford and Penllergaer,but on the day of Sheilas murder a large race meeting was held at Brands Hatch with over 9,000 attendees, one of whom could have been both Muriel and Shielas killer. And if you want to write a guest post that covers the update for distribution on the website, let us know. 74 years ago, Muriel Drinkwater was murdered. Welsh author Neil Milkinsargues that Harold Jones,a convicted murderer who killed two girls in Abertillery in 1921 when he was just 15 years old, was Muriels killer. Hi Neil. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. She was beaten, raped and shot twice just yards from her family's isolated farmhouse in 1946. Her mother was in the kitchen and . This murder shook the village and all the boys came under suspicion. They also announced in May 2019 that Abertillery double child killer Harold Jones had also been cleared of Muriels murder. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. I contacted D.S. Forensic historian Nell Darby found similarities in the case of Muriel Drinkwater and the later Ronnie Harries farmhouse murders in old newspaper articles from the time. Just a few weeks short of her 13th birthday, Muriel had been beaten on the crown of her head with an object, raped and then shot twice in the . But he was later released and served in World War II before his military career ended in 1946. He agreed to give a DNA sample that could rule out Muriel's father from the investigation. I was made aware the following day that my request would NOT be granted. The Crime Review Group already have the information that I request. Advertisement. Victor told me that he had seen a T.V. On this occasion he was rude to me claiming that he knew nothing about any information sent to South Wales Police from D.C. Paul Rogers. Great questions! left on the coat was compared to D.N.A. Detective Chief Inspector Mark Lewis, head of the South Wales Polices Specialist Crime Review Unit announced to the press in May 2019: The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Regards. [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample in the world to be successfully extracted in a murder investigation. The team also uncovered a book that had once belonged to Muriel but was found in a Carmarthen charity shop. If you have any new information I would be extremely interested to hear it! Will do Christine. The coat had been lying forgotten in police storage for decades but after much searching was found by retired DCI Bethell's cold case team and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world. request regarding the unsolved murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater near Swansea in June 1946. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. There must be other victims of this person as I cant see him stopping. The authorities went as far as to suggest that someone in the Penllergaer region knows about the murder weapon but is protecting the owner by withholding information. People had forgotten it was there. 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(My belief now is that the suspect he referred to was Hubert Hoyles who as a 13 year-old boy had come into contact with Muriels family shortly before her murder. The new B.B.C. It is now more than 70 years since the 12-year-old schoolgirl was brutally raped, battered around the head and shot twice while walking home. Importantly, though, the DNA results cleared Hoyles of any involvement in Muriels murder. It was also tested against the DNA of one Harold Jones, a convicted double child murderer who slayed two similarly young girls in Abertillery in the 1920s, to see if he might be the perpetrator. ", "Groundbreaking DNA test rules out childkiller in unsolved murder", 74 years ago, Muriel Drinkwater was murdered. And police now hope a stain on Muriel's coat will. Hi Sherlock. Muriel Jean Drinkwater Birth unknown Death 1983 Burial. "We had access to the files and identified that a semen stain had been found on the coat. Photo added by Graceti. It was the 75th anniversary this year, and still we are no nearer to finding her killer. Muriel N Drinkwater (born Maker) was born on month day 1903, at birth place, to Thomas L Maker and Margaret L Maker (born Baum). In August, the police appealed to the U.S. public for assistance, as many Americans had been stationed in Penllergaer during the recent Second World War and there was a possibility one of the servicemen had sold the weapon. Video, 00:00:42, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. Only the exhumation of Jones body or D.N.A. I live on the land of penllergaer woods and I have some information that I think u would like to hear.. how can I get in contact with u to chat.? Video, 00:00:42Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. Adding: Please may I make a comment that the information that I request would be available via computer in an instant. [12][13], For more than a decade, Welsh true crime author Neil Milkins theorised that notorious child murderer Harold Jones (19061971) was responsible for the murders of both Martin and Drinkwater. She was sexually assaulted and strangled and last seen with an American soldier. 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After a previous visit to the Drinkwater family farm, Hoyles was surprised when a man in his thirties withthick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket stepped from the bushes at exactly the same location where Muriel was later ambushed. Norah Irene Bartlett. Although he was first registered at Widdows Fulham address at Hestercombe Avenue in 1947 as Harold Jones, the following years and up until 1962 he was registered as Harry Stevens. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. [8], Last edited on 11 February 2023, at 09:11, List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom, "Marwolaeth merch yn parhau'n ddirgelwch", "The Muriel Drinkwater case: can they crack the coldest murder case? Martyn Lloyd-Evans again regarding the letter from D.C.Paul Rogers. The police think that Hoyles, who as mentioned above passed Muriel on her way home, encountered Muriels killer weeks before her death. The D.N.A. Muriel Drinkwater. taken from one of Jones many nieces or nephews in Wales would prove conclusively if Jones was or was not Muriels killer. Thank you for sharing this detailed update on Muriels case with the community. Muriel Drinkwater was laying on her back, one arm outstretched by her side and the other slightly raised. It was tracked down to a store room, in a current police station, in a very dark corner. Her name was written in copper plate, Muriel J Drinkwater, and they were examined by the forensic expert who did some incredible work for us, and was able to find this full crime stain on the back of Muriel's little school mac. Two days later, police found one of the murder weapons, a World War I-era Colt .45 pistol. But the mystery doesn't end there and the team want to unlock the mystery behind a book belonging to Muriel that turned up in a charity shop decades after her death. ADVERTISEMENT BY ANCESTRY.COM. The comments below have not been moderated. 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