I have yet to ask these people what they think of all this. Jack wrote: Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. But, visa-a-vis Nancys testimony, if things really were so bad and uncomfortable in that hotel room, why the following admittance: On a subsequent conference trip to Hawaii, I went running with Bill and he struck up a conversation about the amnesiac side effects of Ambien. Excuse me? A former minister of mine would give the teenage girl side hugs, which put his hand in a place it shouldnt have been. I dont see this issue is white or black hats. It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer. I suspect one does not not from creepy hugs, but research shows it is true in more ambivalent hugs, or hugs where someone is already inclined to have even a small degree of trust (e.g. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. Yep. I suspect (although I dont know for sure) that a hug creates a higher dose of oxytocin. Very sad. Ever thought of switching to WordPress? So much! This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. We are as busy as they; Me too. What is it about these minister and their hugs. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed. In the fallout of Hybels's departure over sexual misconduct allegations, the esteemed megachurch lost other top leaders: The church's elders, as well as Steve Carter and Heather Larson, who were. You summed up my whole opinion of this mess. I worked as a psychotherapist with both perpetrators and victims of sexual boundary violations for 20 years. Ummm-not exactly. If you cant trust your pastor who can you trust? I knew all this stuff from my secular org development career but did not transfer it to the church setting right way. Here you will get Bill Hybels's net worth, weight, height net worth, girlfriend, educational qualification and complete bio. Working our works out of view, Adults need to Stop being snookered by totalitarian niceness. Standing Ovations: Whats the Difference Between Highpoint Church and Willow Creek Community Church, Some Thoughts on Supposedly Feminist Men Who Reportedly Abuse/Harass Women | futuristguy, http://www.divorceminister.com/nancy-ortberg-shares-her-side-rebill-hybels-allegations/, https://vondadyer.weebly.com/blog/vonda-dyers-statement-re-chicago-tribune-and-bill-hybels, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0EtdtPi8w, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv72Q23lIp0, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkOke2noyc, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk, https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=28151%5D, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed. not for this long. Eloquence is a gift from God, but it is only the Holy Spirit working through the folly of proclaiming Christ crucified that ever won a single soul. Learn to be alone with yourself. 1 Peter 4:8 Hybels is the founding and former senior pastor of the Willow Creek Community Church located in South Barrington, Illinois. Yet Ive made my point. That length is reserved for the husband/wife relationship, comforting someone, or greeting someone close whom you havent seen in a long time. Brad, given my age, their is a high probability that I was taking college bible class before you were born. There will always be outrage when the celebrity idols are touched in any way. If Hybels had confessed an Ambien addiction with unlikely but serious side effects at the WC family meeting which had caused his occasional bad behavior around women staffers, he might have received a longer standing ovation. [ https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=28151%5D. How to build a corporation in 5 easy steps. IF NOTHINGS DOCUMENTED, IT NEVER HAPPENED AND YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. There is a reason that statute of limitations are being revised throughout the country. When I got up to leave Bill stopped me at the door and hugged/held me tightly for about thirty seconds. Was Hybels intimating that The Ambien made me do it? Publishers are pulling back for a reason. Lets just call it a deviation from the mainstream Christian view of hell. All the retreats, big brother making sure you attend mid week activities (I know of some megas that were playing around with a card swipe for staff to make sure they were attending services and staying), the need to be cool, your personal assistants doing your clothes shopping, etc, etc. No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist!. That is my point. Wherever my story takes me, however dark and difficult the theme, there is always some hope and redemption, not because readers like happy endings, but because I am an optimist at heart. Judging Others Your comments prove your ignorance and arrogance. #metoo. You would think that wannabe preacher boys would be warned off of that in seminary. Its uncomfortable but is it anything really? @ Jack: When its someone you respect and trust, you dont expect aberrant behavior and you are surprised by it. This is ALL so disappointing and disheartening. This one is so true. How can this stand unchallenged? He then shared unfiltered thoughts about me, describing in great detail specific parts of my body he liked, and said he thought I was effusive, sexy and had great candor, mentioned what a promising leader I was, and he said. They collected funds for widows and orphans, and then distributed those funds as promised. If there is one thing I find the most comprehensively evil is manipulative deception. I have said his actions with women have been wrong and they are disqualifying for a man of the Gospel. . Well, to show you how prophetic I am, I predicted years ago that most mega churches would be car lots or community centers by now. Written in 1999! 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). Please understand that this is exactly the way it usually happens. So call the best pastor you can, but the best pastor is the most Christ-like, not the most TV-ready. Yes, there is a hug/cuddle culture that has science backing it. The plastic fish on the car in the church parking lot purchased at the church gift store. (A bit dogmatic, huh? Statement removes all doubt, in my opinion, regarding serious sexual sin and leadership issues at Willow Creek Community Church as it comes to Bill Hybels. He is the founder and CEO of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), one of the most powerful and influential organizations globally. but I know you dont have that set up. That seems inappropriate. So much! Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. I get it bothers you. - I cant deny I have been blessed by WC and the GLS. [I]n his private life, according to a number of women in his orbit, Krauss exhibits some of the sexist behavior that he denounces in public. Good Lord! And of course, the crisis management priority hangs over all of this. The faith grew. They sounded clearly clueless about the price and pain that Hybels' behavior inflicted on his victims. They are pits of mass deception and subterfuge. Thats why its not overblown to discuss patterns of behavior over a 40 year period from different sources about a pastor who spent his career begging us all to look at me! I understand why comments are moderated Im not criticizing. Hee hee. Posting from East China where these kind of things often, ahem, usually get brushed under the carpet. Too many missed opportunities to do the right thing. Either way, doesnt matter. My Comment was Deleted Global Leadership huh Bill ? And few of us agree on every point! Bill Hybels got married to Lynne in 1974. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. Hybels was slated to retire from his position at Willow Creek in October 2018; however, he resigned in April 2018 after allegations of sexual misconduct were made against him. Fear fear of losing jobs, celebrity and the 501c3. I worked for a large pharmaceutical firm. I am absolutely sickened by this situation. If at the end of this tragedy, Willow Creek gets that they will flow like a river rather than a creek. In 2018, sexual misconduct allegations had been alleged against Bill Hybels. I am going to ask a hard question. Willow Creek is an entertainment church and Hybels its star. The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. God is not in the business of secretly brainwashing and subtly mind controlling people. This slavish devotion to a leader or organization is scary and given the size and influence of this church, what are they capable of? The church isnt being destroyed. I dont think that you can judge how repentant and how contrite Bill has been, based on the words that he said when he announced his retirement. its definitely legit and very well written. If you arent getting that from family, church and friends might conceivably help meet that need. Or the colleague. Things are starting to get ugly. The premise of con- templative spirituality is pantheistic (God is all) and panentheistic (God is in all). Hybels retired early from Willow Creek in 2018 after he was accused by several women, who worked for or attended the church, of sexual misconduct stretching back more than 20 years. Ive been silently wondering the same. I have already commented on that nonsense that just went up. . We are to be tools in the hands of God. Just wondering if theres a way to make it easier to keep up. Finally, we are told to have high standards for our teachers. It was not the stature of the parities involved that was relevant, but the truth of the matter at hand. All it would take, with most women is a subtle suggestion that You did come to my hotel room voluntarily or I didnt force you to stay and have a glass of wine to manipulate her into blaming herself for any inappropriate activity and keep her mouth shut. The issue with those who had represented themselves before God and man as being in a place of spiritual authority with the responsibility to be above reproach often have escaped civil or criminal conviction or any sort of permanent admission of guilt or shortcoming for which repentance is called. I do. Dont allow it in your personal life. Mahaney books. Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. I have Every year for many years OT once and NT twice- every year. I have said that I do not appreciate victim denigration which is inherent in her supposed expos .Enough is enough. They gain influence or trust first and then use that as cover for another manipulation agenda. Paul was a tentmaker, so they had other jobs. Dont work for Megas, folks. @ Bea: What BH did is reprehensible. Not my thing. If youre interested in seeing whether I qualify, you can check out my main blog to see what I write about. From what I understand Hybels had a history of handpicking Bible versus to pummel anyone who disagreed with him concerning church doctrine, etc Not surprising. I never saw a cross hanging in Willow nor heard a pastor speak out against gay marriage, women pastors or the slaughter of the Palestinians, etc . Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. For most organizations, hard questions and analytical thinking is NOT desirable, as it will almost always challenges the official orthodoxy and might even unmask hidden agendas. This pastor allowed abuse to continue under his nose and I am going to call him on it. So much for their Christian wittiness, huh? Because I handled it in the moment (As she did with her push away response to Hybels) And it worked. Fools a lot of people and so utterly against anything Christ said. Nothing brings the True Believer attack dogs out of the woodwork like even the hint of Blasphemy against their REAL god. Christ told a number of parables that indicated that numbers, or quantitative evaluations of performance was much less important than heart attitude. analytical thinking. @ Barbara Roberts: The Gospels that I read portray a Jesus that constainly questioned the established and told parables about what is moral that makes you walk away and think. Bill was born on March 1, 1948 to Dr. Joseph and Evelyn LaBarre. Invited women to their hotel rooms Hint hint. It occurred shortly after she had divorced her first husband. https://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Cults-Insidious-All-Consuming-Organization/dp/0814404936. Good grief, until this minute I had no idea there was such a thing as a hug culture. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. Kids will tell you straight up, but I kind of treat them like stray cats and let them come to me! Who wants to stir that pot over something potentially ambiguous? The contents might be encrypted, and, if a key used to decrypt them is lost (or not handed over), they arent readable. Last Son Standing? Much Prayer as God makes all things clear. This is not Christianity. Or even an outlier, if need be. Read Acts 4 and 5. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. The fact that people post here and not just give up on the church and Christainty gives me great comfort the NT clearly warns of false profits amoung the brethern and clearly teaches we should have qualified leaders. How many church leaders are not of His sheep ? 3:6, but you gloss over that because really, at the end of the day, in spite of all your preening about your great knowledge of the Koine Greek (proud, haughty, so like your master, eh? (Currently deemed questionable at best.). I dont think he deserved that. They were taking Jesus away to be put in trial. I do. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk. I did. Please read what I, a former elder, wrote. Plus overtones of the old attorneys way to defend against a rape charge: Discredit the Victim making the accusation. @ Lydia. I absolutely agree that the same exact methods are used on both ends of the spectrum. People are observing us, day in and day out. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.. To fellowship with other believers? (Hoping they picked the right winning faction). These kinds of document preservation policies are in place to protect the organization. I happened to meet the other womans husband, and I suppose the megapastor considered him a type C or D leader and didnt often invite him along. Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. And why on earth is this even a discussion? That was Pauls charge to Timothy. The CIA is able to protect their emails as well. lego builder's journey nintendo switch / weighted hula hoop benefits / is lynne hybels still married to bill. I hope so. In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and . I know in some places and countries, its cultural, but in general, hugging between men and women in the U.S.in workplace situations esp.is not considered appropriate or professional. It is when people naively do not realize that everyone has an agenda, not to be cynical, that they fail to ask important questions and perform essential (to them!) I would not attend a church where I knew the pastor behaved like that. Bill asked her to have me call when I got out. First-run movies, gym memberships, bowling alleys, rock-climbing, restaurant franchises, lotsa merch & swag, all for a simple swipe or tap of your card (or phone app) charging each and every tap/swipe to your student loan? The video is on YouTube: Bill Hybels verbally and emotionally intimidated both female and male employees. Look at the Stowell family leaving Harvest Bible Chapel as an example of a family who quietly left with dark secrets about a megachurch. The new lead pastor discounts the claims of the betrayed and encourages the women of the church to believe differently. People invest a lot of themselves into their celebrity pastors. We are the only ones allowing them through even though I am starting to disallow some. A high five or handshake can do the same. We cant imagine the immensity of it all. @ AbuseCrusher: I bet she had help. For further flow of events, see I, Claudius, Dune, and Game of Thrones. the narcissists seeking to traumatize people into submission outnumber those who act out irresistible urges. Remember Bill hybels stepped down. Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. But it should not be celebrated, as Williams and Dummitt directly stated and indirectly did with continuous praises and accolades. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. And influence a few. I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. Do you believe it is someone posing as her, or do you think she is in on it? Exactly. Eventually she tried to make a move and placed her hand on my thigh. Nancy Ortberg remains affiliated as a board member and husband John Ortberg a prolific speaker, author and leader continues to return to be a guest speaker at Willow Creek for several years after they left Willow Creek? Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching pastor) was on staff with Rob Bell at Mars Hill EMERGENT Church. If it is impossible for the man to keep his hands to himself, then it is the responsibility of the women to activate their own tell-the-difference perception and act accordingly. Whats His true name you should know youve written a lot of books, etc and been a pastor for a very long time. And I admit to being raised that public displays of affection between adults was not the best as it might make some uncomfortable. It works but is it the faith? Its the evil person who masquerades as a good person. We NEED a full and unbiased accounting. This is church. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: I would be ROFL if it didnt mean that there are some folks who have been deceived. And what exactly do you think I can do about it at this point? They have changed so many lives for the good. Both are the same in outcome). _____________________________________. So, why were Hybels emails so important that they had to be deleted? Bill and Lynne Hybels draw on their own personal experience and a guiding faith to offer practical advice on how to enjoy a lifetime of togetherness -- from finding a suitable mate and dealing with the most common marital problems to avoiding the pitfalls that can sabotage a healthy relationship. So pastor rock stars are way more dangerous. @ Bridget: I think it compounds the problem when so many mega churches are unaffiliated with a denomination and/or have sprung up and had only ONE pastor (or lead pastor) for their entire church history. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. That ambien thing sounds like plausible deniability, doesnt it? You be the Mugu; I be the Master! Founding and Senior Pastor Bill Hybels preaches during a service at Willow Creek Community Church on Jan. 13, 2018, in South Barrington . I am so very proud of her and with how hard this has been on everyone. Harvey was condemned by Hollywood while Bill received the proverbial Standing O, I had to read this twice. Ok. Ok. Sometimes I wonder if it is not their worst enemy. Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? I know this sounds harsh but its notbecause I am guilty, too. My pray time this morning brought me directly to this passage in Luke Chapter 6 vs 37-42. I thought it was weird when my friends dads would kiss my cheek but I recognized that was a cultural difference really and let it be. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. contact blue moon brewing company; among us ascii copypasta; pistons vs pacers injury report; you'll find the shame is like the pain; fervent crossword clue 6 letters Now that these accusations are coming out in the open, some women have doubts that the skeptics will acknowledge the body of evidence about his behavior, and confront their own preconceived beliefs. Alas, sometimes the reactions of people reveal of whom they are a true disciple. https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2018/04/12/resource-bibliography-on-willow-creek-church-situation-and-bill-hybels-reported-misconduct/. I go even further with it, Jack. Weve both been busy with writing projects and many other things. As it says in the bible, Who are we to judge? I am a Billy Graham fan, just so you know. I hope someone captured that document. The task is to not establish and maintain environments where such people can abuse without danger of being held accountable. Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. in one of those situations. Read Paul on Mars hill. @ Davis and Natasha: Redemption. Not just anyone can do it well. Wailing Wall-Satanic Ritual? You also wonder what other people might think of you if you mention it. It was part of his long time abuse of her. Either way, and knowing or assuming all this to be accurate, why would any man have his hands on women in ways that are open to suspicion if they are trying to stay out of trouble, either real or unjustly so accused? (1) Discovery of 1,150 emails between Bill and the woman over the previous two years. . Does it lend itself to the overall problem? As I said before, I think people who disbelieve the testimony of victims are the least credible people in these situations.. Two publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels in wake of misconduct allegations Tyndale House Publishers InterVarsity Press (Chicago Tribune). Very often, as you point out, in times of crisis, people respond in ways that reveal. This is why I have posted the 1 Tim 5 passage in two threads recently: Just read what the Bible says about leaders and ask, Is it even possible that God would set these high standards for elders/overseers/pastors and then only give us promiscuous, abusive, and manipulative leaders?. I pity you if thats the case. A brave woman called each person out, which led to subsequent allegations, Differences At which she would perhaps be really smart to think that she could handle it herself without causing trouble in her marriage. I pray every day for you-know-who to be able to find a way out of teaching which did not result in poverty. Incidentally, I am sure there are many nuances to the science, and I make no claim to be an expert. That is a typical church response. But I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. Brought so many people to Christ. Given the name Cephas, walking on water (for a time), given the keys of the kingdom and the charge to strengthen the brethren and feed the Lords sheep, speaking out on Pentecost after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, sharing the Gospel with Cornelius and the Gentiles, and everything else listed in Acts 1-15. Brad, for better or worse, you are an example of the average WCC person to me. Sigh. I would add that based upon reactions of his followers here, it becomes more obvious why. What you are saying is that public perception of sin causes people to walk away from the faith? Theres much interesting reading on the Donald MacLeod thread, including this 1988 quote posted Thursday by Malcolm, from Mr James Fraser: his response failed to allay my fears that there was some truth in the allegations. 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