The limitation of this work is that it is not positional. Wigo said: hey! The study used machine learning to get the weights.Keep in mind that two attributes of the table have ranges from -100 to 0 in FM Genie Scout instead of 0 to 100: eccentricity and punching tendency. Can you test the three and tell me which one you like the most? I'm sorry if this seems as a bit of a noob question. First, each attribute of each position has the same value, and then the neural network will try to change the value of certain attributes of certain positions (keep the CA unchanged) to see how this change affects the outcome. I learned this from last years attempt. Gunners at 2021-12-30 14:36Basic introduction:1. 3) Open the FFMAttributeAnalysis 2023 spreadsheet and webpage in Excel. Mental attributes: Aggression, Bravery, Determination and Work Rate. Essentially a deep lying playmaker. I have adjusted the weightings this year to try and align all the positions, as previously the ratings were skewed with Wingers having a much higher rating.A reminder here that Genie Scout doesn't take into account the positional ability of players in their ratings calculations. i mean i am finding cheap players who are performing amazing! Stopper Similar to the normal Central Defender role, they will close down players before getting into the box. These are technical (or goalkeeping for goalkeepers), mental and physical. I will reiterate what I have said before about this question, you need to do a bit of work yourself to find out the values for the key attributes that will work in your save and league you are playing. Copyright 2004-2022 fmscout.com. Looking at and testing through both ratings files from. ZaZ said: I'm gonna take the freedom to add the filters I use. Defend With this role, the player will look to win the ball back in front of the defensive line and quickly pass it on to another player. Positive or negative, in order to continue to iterate on the multi-layer network, knowing that iteratively produces the best 11-person combination that AI thinks.We trained about 140 machines for 3 weeks, simulated 40 million games, and got convergence results.5. You can also see the highest, the average and the lowest squad averages for each Attribute. Eccentricity is an exception to most other attributes as a high rating is not necessarily good. Attack Straight forward attacking player or the striker. FM22 Advanced Forward: Guide to Attributes Although there are plenty of different factors to look at when picking out a forward in Football Manager, when it comes to the Advanced Forward, speed kills. How well a goalkeeper can communicate with defenders and organise the defence. It was put into a test league for 100,000 matches. he can be a beast according to those attributes for very cheap i can upload my filters for you to check as a fm files hope you get it feel still kind off dizzy after new years celebration Expand Upload it please, here you go mate https://www.mediafire.com/file/tdd07q0z4zh29me/Power+attributes+2.rar/file. Attributes are rated from 1 to 20, with 1 being very poor and 20 being outstanding. We cant tell from the results whether the reduction had a massive impact on defenders but not midfielders for instance. This shows the testing of each attribute in FM22 and the impact of reducing the attribute score has on results. Let us know how it goes. ok will start test tomorrow just i am concerned that for me FM22 is very random i was testing some tactics and how some positions works so it was very random like in test AML performs amazing and AMR not really and in test2 it was vice versa so maybe these attributes not aquirred as well i dont know :/, Wigo said: Sofor me personally very difficult to understand how come in the game of shooting the ball in to the net finishing is not making difference :/ Expand It makes a difference but the difference is very small, especially, if you compare it with some other attributes such as Acceleration, Pace, Dribbling, Anticipation and other.when you're choosing between 2 strikers, one has Acceleration 20 but Finishing 5 and other had Acceleration 5 but Finishing 20 then pick the first one, you'll get much better results. Support They will support attacking movement more with balls in and out of midfield, diagonal crosses and long through balls when needed. ZaZ said: It's for Genie Scout. Doing that, it allows you to find good players for cheaper prince, since cost of players is directly linked to CA and reputation. for example check shane lavery in blackpool! GKs The weightings have only been developed by position and not across all positions so need adjusting in terms of weight for each position. Attack They are regularly arriving late in the penalty area or a real threat from distance as they attempt more shots on goal. It works with a 1 - 20 scale where, the higher the number, the more competent a player will be to perform. Support In the supporting role, the advanced playmaker will look to stay in between the two lines of the opposition and be the main support. Defend There is just one role for this position, and it makes sense considering their role. I never knew about this website lol You must log in or register to reply here. I have also redone my assessment of attributes that can be be improved for each position through training for this year. wow lots of info, hard to understand everything but in excel sheet but as i understand it shows that for example composure is most important for CD(80) and DM(60) and for rest of positions are not so important? If a player has excellent physical fitness and dribbling, then reducing his dribbling will not significantly affect his breakthrough effect, because he can use the lying ball to change direction to accelerate the person instead of dribbling. The weightings have only been developed by position and not across all positions so need adjusting in terms of weight for each position. And acceleration seems weakest now? Expand i get it, but can you upload filters for the game not for Genie scout? Here is the download link to my updated ratings file for Genie Scout.https://www.dropbox.com/s/r55jwbdutrq19n6/MDW22.grf?dl=0You should save the standard FMGS ratings file before loading and changing this file so you can reload the default if you are not happy with my ratings.The standard place for Genie Scout ratings files is C:\FM Genie Scout 22g\Ratings. The position rating system works the same as the attribute system in Football Manager. Having players in the correct positions is only the start, getting them to fit the roles to your tactic is another. Yes. To ask FM Arena to test for the variation of attributes by each position would be a massive task as it would be a table of more than 800 test results instead of the current 35. in link its only GRF file :/. The first observation is that you need to balance the ratings files. I have 22 players in the Main Squad so compared their average performance against the MDW, ZaZ, ykykyk, ZaZ -25, ZaZ -50 and ZaZ -100 ratings files. You may not copy and distribute the work in full. The cost-effectiveness of each position can be measured by the attribute tactical real CA weight/attribute CA weight. For example, 25 to 40 have a gap of 15.Anyone else's opinion would also be appreciated! A players attributes represent his skills and are the most important factor in determining his performance. Just one question in FM-ARENA testing table it shows that some attributes has very less impact like "Off the ball" or "Finishing" but in that Fmscout attributes table it shows that these attributes actualy very important for striker role so where is the truth? Wigo said: wow lots of info, hard to understand everything but in excel sheet but as i understand it shows that for example composure is most important for CD(80) and DM(60) and for rest of positions are not so important? These files seem to be able to be used across games. Lower scores mean attributes had higher impact in performance. The weightings have only been developed by position and not across all positions so need adjusting in terms of weight for each position. Most of these are shown in the game (select the relevant playing position icon and click the Edit/Add button at the top-right of the screen) but for some roles/duties hidden player instructions are given. Please, support us by turning it off for our site. amazing stuff! Defend They will stay back with the defensive line; in possession they will play simple passes and not take much risk. Last year I put everyone on acceleration lol (. It is close to 4 o'clock. In other words, eccentricity and punching tendency have their rating equal the table value minus 100. How likely a goalkeeper is to perform unexpected and risky actions. Anticipation, Composure, Concentration and Decisions also affect how well a decision is made whether to rush out. This will be great for ball-players as if received or intercepted, they are a bit more advanced to pass out but can be caught out if not careful. Expand thats what i am talkin about! hello, can your new file be used on genie scout 21? i mean i am finding cheap players who are performing amazing! This question comes up a lot on the forum. i mean i am finding cheap players who are performing amazing! The engine version is changed and the tactics are changed. Updated for FM 2022. I learned this from last years attempt. Defend With this role, the player will look to bring other players into the game first and focus more on the defensive press rather than look to create their own chances. Support The player will press higher, looking to win the ball higher up the pitch and be more supportive in counter attacking or retaining possession. Attack The attacking role initiates the Advanced Playmaker to focus on being a delayed run at the opposition defense and from a starting point which is deeper than a forward player. Cover This role will make your defender play more as a sweeper, they will drop back a bit further then your defensive partner(s) and sweep up balls and mark overlapping players (has to be made specific with tactics). 3) The influence of attribute on the outcome is non-linear. It's the other way around. I have adjusted the weightings this year to try and align all the positions, as previously the ratings were skewed with Wingers having a much higher rating.A reminder here that Genie Scout doesn't take into account the positional ability of players in their ratings calculations. Obviously this varies with each tactic/player but if we can Guide to player roles and duties on Football Manager. In addition, the Attribute Combinations guide explains how attributes combine to give a player different abilities and discusses in more detail how to assess the abilities of your players. Here are the results:Disclaimer: I have used players out of the positions identified in the results, but in the main they have played the positions indicated. very interesting! But I think if you wanted to use one of the ratings files above, I would go with the ZaZ -50. Expand I do recall that experiment. How well a goalkeeper can react to shots. The last group is given by AI. Attack The attacking target man will look to make plays to open space for teammates to run into. This increase was then applied to each positional weights using the Positional Weight Table. Cover Will drop a touch deeper to sweep up any long balls. It does need balancing to make it more usable though. Mark said: I think this needs a little work to balance out the ratings. amazing stuff! https://fm-arena.com/table/13-fm22-attributes-ratings/. Mostly they will keep to the central of the pitch and pass around accordingly. Expand OK so I had a quick play with the ratings files. !NEW in FM22! I've been picking players with accordance to the attributes rating table for long time and it's been working like a charm to me. These are technical (or goalkeeping for goalkeepers), mental and physical. Disclaimer.Manage Cookie SettingsHandcrafted in Symi, Hellas. Depends on different positions, formation & tactics. Frankly, this sheet works in the same way as the Overall Roles tab. https://www.dropbox.com/s/r55jwbdutrq19n6/MDW22.grf?dl=0. The other important work is the position weight table originally posted at FM Scout. Rince said: In FM21 there was some guy on Korean FM forum that won EPL with only 1 CA players. 3. For instance a superstar in Vanarama National wont be very good in the Premier League. Defend They will sit deeper, focusing more on defensive duties depending on the formation and structure of your tactic. Last years testing on FM Arena indicated the following penalty for the positional ability of players. This role is more disruption then being a creative outlet via crossing. Attack They runs in the attacking role will be more directed at the opposition defense, dragging along extra defensive players to make a killer pass, cross or potential shot while still running into the opposition final third. could be a game changer! In addition I have used 2 main tactics, Dragons Breath that uses an MC instead of AMC, and ZaZ Blue DM, but given the ratings files don't all have MC ratings I just used AMC.To answer @ZaZ question the ZaZ-100 ended up equal with MDW in picking 8 of the best 11 positional players. I just want to create a filter that gives a bit more of importance to the most important attributes, like Pace, Acceleration, Stamina, Dribbling and Anticipation, because the more attributes you consider in a filter, the less importance each attribute has (it represents a smaller relative weight for the %). ; Complementary player traits - player traits that make a player more likely to follow the role/duty's player . I suspect they will be fine for last years game but I haven't tested it. Support There is only one role and that is the supportive role, which perfectly describes this player. They create on and from the front line. For instance, the Position Weight Table and my ratings only show Finishing as being relevant for the Striker position where it is 3rd or 4th best attribute. In addition I have used 2 main tactics, Dragons Breath that uses an MC instead of AMC, and ZaZ Blue DM, but given the ratings files don't all have MC ratings I just used AMC.To answer @ZaZ question the ZaZ-100 ended up equal with MDW in picking 8 of the best 11 positional players. Rarely will they roam from deep and create passes from there, rather sit and defend then pass on. Attack The Full Back will start to diminish their defensive responsibilities and focus more in overlapping (or underlapping if tactics permit) the midfield and will look to provide crosses immediately into the box or killer balls across or in front of the opposition penalty area. Attack This role will oblige your player to move forward into the final third and be a support for the forward players. 'The Advanced Forward's main role is to lead the line and look to spearhead attacking moves.' That success is based off their attributes. The limitation of this work is that it is not positional. Please. All of them try to focus on most important attributes in some way.Version 1: all ratings minus 25 (removes lower ratings and increases % gap of remaining)Version 2: all ratings under 50 minuts 25 (removes lower ratings and keeps gap of top)Version 3: all ratings minus difference to 100 (removes lower ratings and increases absolute gap of remaining)* Gap means the difference in rating between two attributes. I am not convinced about the Acc for GKs but time will tell. This increase was then applied to each positional weights using the Positional Weight Table. For example, a breakthrough can speed up when lying on the ball, relying on physical fitness instead of dribbling, or relying on dribbling. Mark said: Yes. Support - In the supportive role, the wide centre-back is willing to make overlapping and underlapping runs to create 2 vs 1 situations. in link its only GRF file :/ Expand There isn't much what to do there. He did a test and set all the "unimportant" attributes ( according to the attributes rating table ) to 1 and few important to 20 and he easily won the EPL. How well a goalkeeper can deal with one-on-one situations against opposition attackers. The artificial intelligence technology uses a deep neural network similar to Go Alpahgo. If you simply drop the file in the Ratings folder, you can simply click "Rating" in Genie Scout and the file will be there to select. Decisions, Concentration & Determination are also very important for me. We use artificial intelligence to study the importance of attributes. (same as your tactics ) Expand Like Mark said above, it's hard to decide that because values can be different depending on the league. As it sits it favours Strikers and AMs too much and there are no GKs anywhere to be seen. On FM Scout you can chat about Football Manager in real time since 2011. So as to guide the selection of materials.2. Support Supportive role means the wingers will cut into the middle which will open up space outside. Higher Handling reduces the likelihood of the ball being dropped or parried, potentially giving the opposition a goal-scoring opportunity or corner. I learned a lot of game knowledge from the bursting room. Support Less defensive responsibility and more the traditional wide player who will look to cross the ball early, run past the opposition or pass inwards to the midfield to recycle possession or progress forward. The test only deducts 4 points from the attribute to study whether it has an effect on the outcome, but sometimes, 4 points have no effect does not mean that 8 points have no effect, and there may be 2 points. Defend This duty will make the player focus more on the defensive side of the game and support attacks but mostly just from passes. This gives a sense of the value of each attribute for each position. Displaying adds is vitial for our project and keeps us running. Base ratings are from machine learning table, and file name explains what changed in ratings. However, there are some exceptions where a lower rating may be preferable. for example check shane lavery in blackpool! Page created in 13.188 seconds. Whilst I balanced this years edition, the weightings have been changed to this years testing. I'm gonna take the freedom to add the filters I use. gonna give it a go! Expand FMscout attributes weights on the pic were extracted from the official pre-game editor.Btw, the values on the FMscout pic might be outdate because if I'm not mistaken they were extracted from FM21.Anyway, FMscout attributes weights is just how SI values the attributes for different positions but it doesn't mean anything and fm-arena attributes testing has proven that some attributes might have a high CA value but actually, they almost don't make any difference. Rince said: In FM21 there was some guy on Korean FM forum that won EPL with only 1 CA players. Nov 5, 2020 FM23. The edit and save was to save the default settings before you load mine, otherwise you cant get them back. Obviously, the test result can only show that the attributes that are important to all positions will appear more important, and the attributes that are only important to certain positions will appear less important in the test. Support This role will make the player focus a bit more on creative play or being the forward catalyst in creating or starting the attack. The degree of influence.3. Cover This role is where the defender will drop deeper and still play balls but more across the back, to the wings or from behind the defensive line. Expand Download copy. Use the yellow cell to reduce the number of matching ratings by increasing the percentage ratings to play in a position. guys what you think of that way? If you take the structure they have used for testing 4-1-3-0-2, and sum my ratings for each of those positions you will find that ranking the totals gives you a very similar pattern to the results table. The higher the tactical real CA, the more suitable it is for player selection.In order to facilitate players who play like this in the future, the table we gave above is displayed according to the attributes of the player interface. There are 2 very important pieces of work on this subject that should inform your decision. Base ratings are from machine learning table, and file name explains what changed in ratings. Attack Similar to the above but they will make their presence more known by forcing the opposition wide player(s) back with their attacking forward movement or overlapping/underlapping runs into the box once laying off the ball to a central player (your tactics permitting of course). Here are. Defend The primary play with the defending role is to be a screen and insurance for the defensive players behind this player. A Football Manager guide to player roles. (same as your tactics ). Detailed information about each role. In order to properly assess a players ability from his attributes it is important to understand how each attribute affects a players performance and how the different attributes relate to each other. Attributes are rated from 1 to 20, with 1 being very poor and 20 being . 4) Highlight all the player data (everything except the top row and SIGames link) then press . Working the ball around and you are able to get into a good position; this is a good attacking opportunity, just needs a bit more patience and your player takes a shot from 35 yards out which is never going to trouble the keeper. They will provide support in wide areas at times, but from deep. Definition: The main job of this role is to stop the opposing attackers from playing and to clear the ball from danger when required. These are the ones I am interested in. For example Acceleration - default PPM was 1.648, reducing Acceleration by 4 points resulted in 1.039 PPM. Expand I'll do my poor man's version too, with only the most important attributes, so it puts more importance on those attributes and gives good cheaper players. I think this needs a little work to balance out the ratings. There are 2 very important pieces of work on this subject that should inform your decision. Files seem to be used on Genie scout 21, i would go the. Underlapping runs to create 2 vs 1 situations take much risk this the. Most other attributes as a bit of a noob question punching tendency have their rating equal the table minus! This years edition, the wide centre-back is willing to make plays to space. 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