What do you make of it? GUPTA: Larry, based on the industry's recommendations, all the scientific studies we read, let me show you the safest way to use a cell phone. And congratulations to Jeff in Freemont, Nebraska. It was in an area that was critical for his language -- in fact, very similar, I presume, for Senator Kennedy's. I can think back at least five years ago when Dr. Black wore an ear piece back then. GUPTA: Yes, you know, I think even Dr. Khurana, you know, he looked at existing studies. So that's half of our world population, or almost half. KING: That's Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles. KING: Quickly, doctor, because I'm running short of time. He's Australia's -- the head of the Interphone arm that is incorporating Australian research. Non-ionizing is less problematic, I think, than ionizing. And KING: Did he dismiss that or get concerned? I use it on the speaker phone mode. Is that really safe? And I think it's a great idea if you are worried about it. KING: How do children's phones, Dr. Black, differ from -- children's brains, rather, differ from adults? In 2004, Cochrans associates revealed that he was suffering from an undisclosed illness. The following decade, Cochran won a huge, unprecedented court payment for a 13-year-old molested by an officer. For years its been speculated that Super Attorney Johnnie Cochrans brain tumor was caused by his cell phone use. KING: When something happens like to Senator Ted Kennedy, that focuses more effort on it, doesn't it, more attention? (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) GUPTA (voice Also, these brain cells -- cancer cells can migrate. And as Dr. Gupta said, you know, that energy is directly proportional, actually, to the square of how close you hold it to your brain. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, KING: One of the problems, Dr. Khurana, is almost everybody has a cell phone. "Certainly, Johnnie's career will be noted as one marked by celebrity cases and clientele," the family said in a statement. We know from laboratory animals, for example, that, you know, the most effective way of inducing a tumor is to induce it in a young developing embryo, in a young developing animal. Their conclusion: we just don't know. Things were changing, the size of the phone, the quality of the phone, but also the amount of radiation it gave off. Cochran signed on as part of a "dream team" of lawyers defending the Hall of Famer. And it was unrelated to the subsequent tumor that he developed. A brain tumor killed the famed attorney and father of three at the age of 67. If it doesn't fit, you must acquit. What, Dr. Khurana, does this tell us? March 30, 2005 -- Legendary attorney Johnnie Cochran died Tuesday at age 67 while suffering from an inoperable brain tumor. Were cell phones to blame? Johnnie Cochran is saying the only reason youre on this case is because youre black. I recoiled. Simpson in his trial for the murders of his wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman. In the early 1970s, Cochran also went to court in defense of Geronimo Pratt, a former Black Panther accused of murder. If you need to flag this entry as abusive. D. COCHRAN: Cedars-Sinai Johnny Cochran Brain Tumor Center. KING: Is this much safer than that? I mean they're invaluable, of course, as we all know. The player's body was exhumed, an autopsy performed and it revealed Settles had been choked. It's the long-term data we should be looking at. Cochran died in Los Angeles March 29, 2005 after a long illness. "But he and his family were most proud of the work he did on behalf of those in the community.". I think it's, you know, it's one of those things where, you know, I use a cell phone all the time. Since gaining a reputation in Ebony magazine as "the best in the West" in the early 1980s, Cochran eventually became the go-to guy for black celebrities in trouble. We know that brain tumors are the number one cancer killer among children in the United States and the second most common form of cancer in kids. So it's possible for a cell to get an injury and then migrate to a different location within the brain, as well. THUN: You are absolutely right. Pratt was convicted in 1972. Phone 2030 120 s. GUPTA: Keep it away from your body. D. COCHRAN: I got concerned right away that he couldn't remember my telephone number. OK, let's move to the subject at hand. Is there a best way to use a cell phone? KING: There are a lot of don'ts. Johnnie Cochran established himself as a sought after attorney dealing with high-profile police brutality cases involving the African American community. By the time Simpson was acquitted, Cochran and co-counsel Shapiro were on the outs. He's director of brain tumor surgery at New York Presbyterian Hospital. When Cochran helped Pratt win his freedom in 1997 he called the moment "the happiest day of my life practicing law.". I do think that he raises a very important concern, I think particularly among young people using cell phones. And I think when I had kids, I became more interested in it, frankly. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: Joining our panel from New York is Dr. Ted Schwartz. He remained a beloved figure in the black community, admired as a lawyer who was relentless in his pursuit of justice and as a philanthropist who helped fund a UCLA scholarship, a low-income housing complex and a New Jersey legal academy, among other charitable endeavors. In 1994, Cochran joined Alan Dershowitz, F. Lee Bailey, Robert Shapiro, Barry Scheck and Robert Kardashian to form the core of the so-called dream team of lawyers hired to defend athlete/actor O.J. He is editor of MicrowaveNews.com. D. COCHRAN: Yes. BLACK: We were actually, Larry, close friends. Simpson's lead attorney Tuesday, saying he abruptly halted support payments after she discussed their relationship on television. And I think that given the research and break throughs we are now making in cancer and brain cancer in particular, one of the positive outcomes is that if we can get more research funding, we can accelerate finding an effective treatment for this disease. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE. And I think that there's enough sort of concern out there to at least prompt people to think more about how they use their cell phones, using earpieces, keeping it further away from the ear and things like that. Go ahead. That's ahead on LARRY KING LIVE. Upon Simpson trying on bloodied gloves that prosecutors alleged were used during the murder, Cochran came up with a phrase that would become famous: If it doesnt fit, you must acquit. Under the auspices of Bailey, who had a private investigator background, the team also discovered that detective Mark Fuhrman had made racist, highly incendiary remarks about African-American citizens. And it's only on LARRY KING LIVE. But first, if the manual says keep it in some sort of holster and keep it away from your ear, would you say the manufacturer is worried about something, Dr. Schwartz? BLACK: Well, I think, as Dr. Gupta said, one of the big concerns that we face is that there has not, Larry, been a definitive study to date. And unfortunately, you know, as you showed at the beginning of the show, there's a billion people, you know, that will be using cell phones and they will be using cell phones for many years. Re bushing Shuman machine co. During their divorce, it came to light that for 10 years Cochran had secretly maintained a "second family," which included a son. The Food and Drug Administration made recommendations about cell phone use. It's a victory, really, for all of us. I knew that he had a very serious malignant tumor, but I didn't look at it in terms of being terminal. We had actually vacationed together on summer vacations with our mutual families. A brain tumor killed the famed attorney and father of three at the age of 67. Both defense attorneys Robert Shapiro and Johnnie Cochran believed from the outset that Simpson was guilty, Toobin says. In 1978, Cochran once again became part of the citys legal force when he joined the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, although he eventually returned to private practice. KING: But later you did use surgery, right? Well, let's break it down a little. This is a great, exhilarating victory for Sean Combs. I think arrogance is the worst way to go. The family moved to California in 1943, where the younger Cochran eventually excelled as a student in what was becoming a more racially integrated environment. D. COCHRAN: I don't really like to use the word terminal. Pratt was convicted and imprisoned, while Cochran maintained that the activist was railroaded by authorities, pushing for a retrial. 2023 BuzzFeed, Inc. All rights reserved. People might be shocked to hear that the evidence does seem to be coming more strongly in support of harmful effects." KING: Some have called cell phone use more dangerous than smoking. If you look at some of the studies that have been performed -- I mean one of the studies that is very concerning has been a story out of Europe that looked at a long-term exposure to the use of cell phones over a period of 10 years. He was known for his sharp Click here to go to our international version. KING: Louis, would it be a simple solution, everyone should use an ear phone? Web5.03M subscribers 522 Johnnie Cochran represented Geronimo Pratt for free for 27 years until he got his wrongful conviction overturned and freed him from his life But in the Simpson case, Cochran turned the murder trial into an indictment of the Police Department, suggesting officers planted evidence in an effort to frame the former football star because he was a black celebrity. JONATHAN COCHRAN, JOHNNIE COCHRAN'S SON: I look at it now and it seems like he was taken too soon. He came on national television two weeks ago, and I'll quote you: "I think the evidence that is accumulating is pointing towards an effect of mobile phones on tumors. A team of researchers led by Northwestern University has achieved a breakthrough by producing the most mature neurons to date from human induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs). I would not want to be a heavy user of a mobile phone. (The conviction was eventually overturned after more than two decades. Wir freuen uns, Ihnen das brandneue Lego 41027 einfhren zu drfen! This is Dale's first interview since then. Secondly, you referred to the overwhelming data that suggests it's safe. Third, we know that the studies that have been done on brain cancer, and I'm going to distinguish brain cancer from acoustic neuroma, have largely been reassuring. Because of widespread coverage of the Simpson trial, Cochran entered the superstar realm of celebrity, reportedly receiving a $2.5 million advance to write his memoirs. Do you say it's possible? His first marriage, to his college sweetheart, Barbara Berry, produced two daughters, Melodie and Tiffany. And my concern is that with the widespread use of cell phones, I think the worst scenario would be that we get the definitive study ten years from now and we find there's a correlation. DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, it's interesting, because you look at all the studies out there and most people will say, look, I mean they're fine. But there's no reason to worry because so far, the studies haven't proven anything. KING: How did you find out what he had? The Nokia a few years later, this was '98, and then '99 and then 2001. Again, a wired ear piece down to an industry approved holster is what the people recommend. ", Cochran represented former Black Panther Elmer "Geronimo" Pratt, who spent 27 years in prison for a murder he didn't commit. LOS ANGELES (AP) _ Johnnie Cochran Jr.'s former mistress filed a palimony lawsuit against O.J. Cochran penned the books Journey to Justice (1996) and A Lawyer's Life (2002). He didn't do his own studies here, but he's looked at something that I think has been concerning to a lot of people who have really sat down and looked at these studies for some time. You know, they didn't give off enough non- ionizing radio frequency to be a problem. Around this time, Cochran began to build a reputation for taking on cases involving questionable police actions against African Americans. When a patient comes to the surgery, the focus is not what caused it. After returning to private practice, Cochran built his firm into a personal injury giant with more than 100 lawyers and offices around the country. I mean any function that the brain is responsible for can be a symptom of a brain tumor. Is that true? He died at his home in Los Angeles on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 from a brain tumor. That's the founding editor and publisher of Microwave News, maybe the major publication in this field. BLACK: I KING: I said Dane and it's Dale. Now that we're back, I can't help but wonder, if the most important thing is finding treatments, then where was the outcry when the FDA tried to close down a Texas doctor who was successfully treating the disease? The trial of the century, as it was dubbed, began in January 1995 and was among the most publicized in history, followed by millions around the world. WebJohnnie Cochran lost his fight against brain cancer earlier this year. BLACK: I actually received a call from Johnnie's assistant, as Dale indicated, concerned about his difficulty with memory and also some difficulty with speech. And part of that's due to Dr. Black, because I talked to him a couple of years ago about this and KING: Really? And I think I should quote them. This is professor Bruce Armstrong, professor and head of the University of Sydney's public health -- school of public health. And this is not implying that every brain tumor is the result of this. I use an earpiece now, as Dale Cochran talked about. KHURANA: I do, Larry. He's associate professor of neurosurgery at the Canberra Hospital. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JOHNNIE COCHRAN, ATTORNEY: If it doesn't fit, you must acquit. And with so many users and users starting at the age of three and up now, we should be concerned. D. COCHRAN: I think perhaps there could be. Some will courageously take the risk and apply the device daily in their confidence that tomorrow will bring definitive acute care treatments. That doesn't completely clear the story, but it is an important piece of information. KING: Dr. Khurana, you want to respond? It gives me an opportunity if I want to go into politics. We're looking at the association at Cedars with a grant from the air quality management district between air pollution and brain cancer. The jury is still out. They went down in this non- ionizing radio frequency as well, which was a good thing, I think, by everyone's admission. Often times, these phone come with a holster. Another neurosurgeon joins us. We need to be -- we need to have an open mind. Detective Sawyer, having said earlier that if he could not crack the case he would join the others in the cell, does so. He was 67. We don't know that that will necessarily be a safe practice. And I think pretty much everyone knows if you are x-rays all the time, that's not good. So my point is this, that, you know, if you read the studies alone, they'll say they're safe. BLACK: But the brain has no sensation. But I think that it is a question that needs to be studied and examined along with other causes of brain cancer. You know, it's the antenna for the cell phone that is the source for the microwave energy. KING: You had to like Johnnie Cochran. The flashy yet venerable attorney's health started to falter last year, according to media reports. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If it is conclusive that it can cause brain tumors, then I think there should be some sort of a warning. They saw an abnormality within the brain. BLACK: Well, Larry, I think if we look at the evidence that we have now, it's difficult to say that cell phones have a direct link to brain cancer, but it's also difficult to say that they're safe. His magic worked. FOX News' Jane Roh and The Associated Press contributed to this report. His first wife, Barbara Cochran Berry, wrote her own memoir Life After Johnnie Cochran: Why I Left the Sweetest Talking, Most Successful Black Lawyer in L.A. accusing her ex-husband of cruel behaviors that included physical and emotional abuse. GUPTA: They come with the phone. Watch. BLACK: I use a cell phone, but I always use an earpiece. Yet. More power to them. Simpson. Over the years, Cochran's roster included famous entertainers like actor Todd Bridges, who was charged with attempted murder, and pop icon Michael Jackson, with Cochran arranging an out-of-court settlement for the singer in relation to child molestation charges. Santa Rita has a higher jail death rate than Los Angeles Here is a look at the people who died: 2014: 10 DEATHS. One of the bigger concerns, though, I think, is the fact that it just generates a lot of heat or it generates heat. But as a lay person, I have no knowledge -- scientific knowledge that there is a definitive link. DR. KEITH BLACK, NEUROSURGEON, CEDARS-SINAI MEDICAL CENTER, JOHNNIE COCHRAN'S PHYSICIAN: Larry, memory loss can be a cause of concern. Johnnie L. Cochran Jr. was born on October 2, 1937, in Shreveport, Louisiana, to Hattie and Johnnie L. Cochran Sr. WebIn a very very very best case scenario, like im talking Johnny Cochrin type lawyer and odee lack of evidence and a super soft hearted judge, the minimum sentence kay can get is 15 years from the judge if he considers all these mitigating "People in New York and Los Angeles, especially mothers in the African-American community, are more afraid of the police injuring or killing their children than they are of muggers on the corner," he once said. And the studies that have found an association, some of them have found such a strong association that they really don't fit at all with the time course of brain cancer in the United States. He counted among his closest friends Los Angeles City Councilman Bernard Parks, the city's former police chief, and the late Mayor Tom Bradley, who had been a Los Angeles police lieutenant before going into politics. I don't know anyone who didn't like him -- defense attorneys who opposed him, prosecutors D. COCHRAN: Oh, yes. Last month, the Supreme Court heard oral argument in the First Amendment case of Tory v. Cochran. Then, on October 15, 1995, the jury returned the not guilty verdict that divided the nation. Before dying, Cochran said he thought his cell phone caused his brain cancer. That's not much cell phone usage, is it? So surgery, at least to try to remove all of the tumor that we could see on the MRI scan, was not one of the initial treatment options. Now beyond that, Larry, when Dr. Thun talks about no rise in the published incidents rates of tumors in Sweden, the strongest studies that have pointed towards links between cell phones and brain tumors have, in fact, come from Sweden. Johnnie Lee Cochran Jr., J.D., B.A. ( /kkrn/; October 2, 1937 March 29, 2005) was a high-profile lawyer and civil activist best known for his leadership role in the defense and criminal acquittal of O.J. Simpson for the murder of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman. We know that it causes lung cancer by the statistical rate. WebAccording to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the average time between first exposure to a cancer-causing agent and clinical recognition of the disease Market data provided by Factset. ob. KING: Meaning? GUPTA: Yes, this is from the manufacturer themselves. He asked his secretary to call me and get me on the phone because he couldn't remember the phone number to the house. The environment is important, but ultimately, government mandates cannot protect our Secondly, we know that in the country that's used cell phones for the longest, which is Sweden -- they came in the early 1980's and the early cell phones were -- had much higher emissions than today's cell phones. He died from a brain tumor on March 29, 2005, at the age of 67. During arguments last Tuesday, justices seemed skeptical of Cochran's attorney's claim that the injunction did not violate the First Amendment. The control group uses cell phones. KING: Like Ted Kennedy had? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We, the jury in the above entitled action, find the defendant, Orenthal James Simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder. ", The flamboyant Cochran enjoyed that parody so much he even quoted it in his autobiography, "A Lawyer's Life. These docs commented on the "Interphone study" in which thirty-five researchers from all over the world sought to correlate cell phone use with brain cancer incidence. His work and leadership have had a lasting legacy almost two decades after his death, and in today's America, with the death of George Floyd and the nationwide Health, food and environmental journalist; radio host, Progressive Radio Network. During the early 1980s, he oversaw a settlement for the family of African American football player Ron Settles, who died in a police cell under questionable circumstances. So, you know, I think the safe practice is to use an earpiece so that you keep the microwave antenna away from your head. KING: What was the treatment? He was a celebrity in his own right, a great friend of this show. Gender. The major do is use one of these wired ear pieces. God bless you. His family was by his side and he had been in a hospice, Epps said. And that's what we've done. D. COCHRAN: He's still living. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. In 1966, a Black motorist named Leonard Deadwyler, while attempting to get his pregnant wife to a hospital, was killed by police officer Jerold Bova. He won a $760,000 award in a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family of Ron Settles, a black college football star who died in police custody in 1981. KING: Is that memory loss a major cause of concern, Dr. Black? WebJohnnie Cochran - Death. In 1978, Cochran once again became part of the citys legal force when he joined the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, although he eventually returned to private practice. And, you know, even if you look at the manuals and things like that, they'll tell you that there is a, as Dr. Black said, the further away you put the phone from your ear, you know, the much safer it is. KING: So are you going to instruct the patient of your BLACK: I've instructed Dale D. COCHRAN: Oh, yes. Family members and colleagues of the legal 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. KING: That's a simple solution to this, don't -- instead of your phones, attach an earpiece to the phone? WebContact Us - The Cochran Firm Washington, D.C. | Baltimore Contact Our Washington, DC injury attorneys are waiting to help you. He's Dr. Vini Khurana. So, you know, tumors that are closer to that area may be more likely. They do give off less radiation than a cell phone, but wearing it all the time could be a problem. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wouldn't blame the cell phone companies. KING: We all liked Johnnie. But I do want to say that if you look at the literature now, most of the data shows that there is no link. Everyone is a user. BLACK: It was in the skull, yes. Tiffany Cochran realizes the question of whether cell phone use was a factor in her fathers fatal illness cannot be answered today. The industry supports continued research as technology continues to evolve, but wishes to stress the fact that there is a consensus among leading health organizations regarding published scientific research showing no reason for concern." Name: Lawrence Edward Baslee Jr. Age: 56 Arrested: 1/23/2014. KHURANA: Absolutely. But, more importantly, my particular interest is to accelerate discoveries in the treatment of brain tumors, which is why I am so happy that we've established the Johnny Cochran Brain Tumor Center. Let me just read you something here, Larry. One is that, you know, where there is smoke, there's fire, that's the old adage, right? He was just wonderful. KING: Dr. Black, would you comment on what he just said? Time now for Anderson Cooper and "A.C. 360" -- Anderson. KING: People at CNN who saw a lot of him said he was on that phone a lot. That is a tumor that comes off one of the specific nerves in the inner ear. Simpson (search) against murder charges, died of a brain tumor on Tuesday at the age of 67. BLACK: Teenagers and even younger -- and they will be using cell phones for 20 or 30 years, we do not have enough data now to say that, you know, that is a safe device. And so we have a situation with a widely used technology in which we don't have very, very long-term follow-up, and we don't have very long-term follow-up of kids. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cigarettes have surgeon generals warning on them. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. This was the question that Larry King posed this week to Dena Cochran, the widow of Johnnie Cochran (who died of the disease), as well as to a group of five You remember early cell phones. Even as a child, he had loved to argue, and in high school he excelled in debate. And those cells are more vulnerable to developing cancer from an injury or other types of problems. Before he leaves us -- he will be returning with Dana Cochran. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. And there's really no good mechanism by which non-ionizing radiation can cause brain tumors. ", He said other members of his defense team also deserved credit for his acquittal, but added: "Without Johnnie running the ball, I don't think there's a lawyer in the world that could have run that ball. But I think now most of the people who actually do research on brain cancer causes are very skeptical that cell phones cause brain cancer. But we don't have all the answers. When that relationship soured, his mistress, Patricia Sikora, sued him for palimony and the case was settled privately in 2004. This is the early '80s. D. COCHRAN: Attach an earpiece immediately. Just to orient you, the eyes are going to be up here, the ear is going to be over here. And I think particularly among young people who are logging, you know, thousands of hours KING: Teenagers? KING: One type of tumor often mentioned in the discussion of potential risk of cell phones is acoustic neuroma. Cochran continued to take on new cases into the new millennium, ranging from work for clients like Abner Louima, who was tortured while in New York City police custody, and rapper/music mogul Sean "Puffy" Combs, to an anti-trust litigation issued against racing giant NASCAR. Tumor killed the famed attorney and father of three and up now, as Cochran. Verdict that divided the nation you, the jury returned the not guilty verdict that divided the nation time. 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